It's capitalism in it's most raw form. New or retreads? Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. It is obvious that ,"Your Highness" doesn't appreciate the one class of employees that can encourage repeat business - because flight attendants are the ONLY employees that have a constant interaction with customers. Age of planes? Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Anyone have any info on what flying for Breeze Airways is like? FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. Customer service: Generally speaking, younger hires are friendlier and perkier. This is cynical exploitation at its worst and I hope that the public recognises this and vote with their feet. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. 2. Heres come the nanny union effectively telling them they arent capable of making that decision. Get some help. Glad I was just in time to work and fly through the good times and happily retired now. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. the recruiters told me: They both seem to have similar business models, but SW has really gotten expensive in some markets these past few years. He must anticipate a lot of employee churn and be okay with that risk, deeming it worth the extra-low cost structure and less likely to result in speedy unionization, if it leads to it at all. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. And in the interview say no thanks pay to low and walk out. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. The Dept. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! However, earning minimum wages at a dead-end job, working every weekend, no benefits, no time/money/opportunity to explore new cities, and being forced to sign a 4-year contract at the outset are all red flags that employment as a flight attendant at Breeze should be avoided at all costs. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. Eight hours plus. This company is bad for the US economy and society. A place that likes control over everyone and everything, Mormone like. If you are a green bean rookie like Cricket than you will imagine that you have won the lottery.. Must be at least 23 years old at the time of hire, Must have 1,500+ hours total time (not including simulator and/or Flight Engineer time), Current First-Class FAA Medical Certificate, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, High school diploma or equivalent educational achievement, FAA Unrestricted Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multi-engine class rating, Must have a minimum of 3,000 hours fixed wing time. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. To be honest, many college kids waste 4 years of tuition partying and enjoying life without learning anything substantial. @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. Very interesting article, first off there's a lot of people who only want to work part-time and find it exciting to go to different cities. There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. High Flex. Maybe 3 hours. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Landing June 2023. I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. I would have jumped at this deal in college. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. 3) People as interns/college kids: I would like to have a job for life. What do you make of these Breeze insights? But make sure you ask the a million question, even the stupid ones BEFORE you sign the contract. Nice. Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Clearly Breeze has already figured out that people who fall into their trap will regret their circumstances; that's why Breeze is also making them sign a 4-year contract. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Past Flight Receipts. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. "Filet mignon sandwich?" That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the minimum hour guarantee as a point of shame and quickly set up union representation. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Ben -- one thing that seems to be missing from your calculus and the comments: equity. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. Then, when mainline hiring picks-up (as it inevitably will) they'll dump Breeze like a cheap date. Are They Worth Taking? This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. Actual flight time? Maybe wait and see? D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. We live in a free market economy. No Per Diem. Your slip is showing. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Heres what we can expect from pricing and fees in general: Breeze is launching operations with Embraer 190/195 aircraft, which the airline is leasing for very little. For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. I suppose if there has ever been a time where airlines can get away with hiring pilots for cheap, this is it. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. The experience and skillset I got at that first job enabled me to quickly move into work paying many multiples of that first internship-like position. @Robert. It's that, or these guys and their families starve. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. You ask "why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. Glorious. I'm 41. People forget that people have different life circumstances than their own. The estimated hourly pay at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $11.82 per hour for Software Engineer Intern to $167 per hour for Captain. Sounds like the flights will be mostly out and back the same day, to save $$$ on per diem/ hotel costs. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. Is there a penalty for leaving early? First Officer 1st year $89 and $130 in year six. Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? But lets say you have a couple of days off. You and a friend use your travel pass and visit a city. Attn: Airline Pilot Central Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. I think the FAA needs to look into this. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. In this post I wanted to cover a few of the highlights of this story, because there are some really surprising tidbits in here. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Pilots generally get paid for flight hours; the hourly rate might seems high, but pilots arent getting paid for anywhere close to 40 hours per week of work, Pay varies depending on whether youre captain or first officer, and each year your pay typically increases, up to a certain cap, Other than hourly pay, one other important metric is minimum guaranteed monthly hours, since guaranteed hours multiplied by hourly pay guarantees your minimum monthly pay, First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six, Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six, Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), A first officer is looking at earning $36,300 in the first year, and $62,040 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $77,220 in the first year, and $94,380 in the sixth year, In absolute terms these are above average salaries in the US, However, pilot training is expensive, and an Embraer 195 has nearly 120 seats, so its bigger than your typical regional jet; also, the airline will eventually fly A220s, and presumably pay wont be much better, Breeze is expecting more from pilots than regional airlines, as applicants already need a type rating for Embraer aircraft, and also need more experience, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to JetBlue pilot pay, since, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to SkyWest pilot pay; pilots often go to regional airlines to gain experience early on, and this typically represents the lowest pay youll find in the airline industry, First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying, A JetBlue Embraer 190 first officer is looking at earning $80,100 in the first year, and $117,000 in the sixth year, A JetBlue Embraer 190 captain is looking at earning $172,800 in the first year, and $182,700 in the sixth year, First officers are paid $45 per hour in year one, and $59 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $79 per hour in year one, and $91 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 76 hours per month of flying, A first officer is looking at earning $41,040 in the first year, and $53,808 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $72,048 in the first year, and $82,992 in the sixth year, The most unreasonable part of Breezes pay arrangement is the minimum guaranteed hours, rather than the hourly rate as such; everyone needs a certain amount of money to cover their bills, and the minimum monthly amount sure is low, Breeze is essentially trying to pay like a regional airline, while requiring more experience to get hired (pilots need to be type rated on Embraer aircraft, and need 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time), Between the flight attendant employment arrangement and the pilot pay, it doesnt seems like Breeze is trying to build a culture that encourages employees to stay with the company long term, It takes years (and a lot of money) to get to the point where you can get this job, youre flying a plane that retails for tens of millions of dollars, and you have the lives of nearly 120 people at a time in your hands, and youre potentially being paid ~16% above a $15 minimum wage (which we have in many cities nowadays). For a certain person, this could be an ideal job. (the "free" school and housing comes out of their pay just as much as if they got full pay, and paid for the school/housing themselves). Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? Reset Password. The next step from airlines would probably challenge the FAA rule of 1 FA per 50 pax. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. May be this a good business model. The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. Let him eat his own crap for breakfast lunch and dinner. The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. There are a finite quantity of qualified pilots and the barrier to entry for that work is significant. When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". I interviewed with them for cabin crew You must be enrolled at Utah Valley University full-time and maintain 3.0 GPA. That's the Breeze way. So, that will Hey. And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. You can't have a million dollar dream with minimum wage work ethics. Will they get pilots? Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. 4. The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month.
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