X File Under: <Fuel> Circulate To: General Manager Service Manager Parts Manager Service Advisors Technicians Body Shop Manager Fleet Repair X X X X SUBJECT: GROUP MODEL FUE 2017-2019MY Niro (DE HEV) NUMBER DATE 041 August 2019 TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN For information on a specific accident or incident, direct your inquiries to the National Transportation Safety Board at the following address: 490 L'Enfant Plaza East, SW. [1]:78, The aircraft ascended from a minimum altitude of 703ft (214m) mean sea level (MSL) [169ft (52m) above ground level (AGL)] to around 1,000ft (300m) MSL. The airplane was substantially damaged. CA had a checkered (failure) history. The line is connecting ADS-B datapoints from FlightAware. CommutAir Flight 4933 - Per WP: COMMONNAME, crashes of . That final report has been out for months. Also big Yikes. Multiple failures here. During a postaccident interview, the first officer stated that, when he transitioned from flight instruments to the outside during the second approach, he again saw white on white and blowing snow. That woman has moved on now to a wide body. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. 28 pax/3 crew. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. The aircraft was piloted by a 40-year-old captain who joined CommutAir in March 2013 before working for another air carrier in November 2015. Lets investigate further. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. The NTSB report uses CommutAir in favor of United Express and through that, I note that nearly every article is mentioned through that convention (excluding Colgan Air Flight 3407 and a lengthy discussion about it took place if you see the archives. So this guy gets hired and a couple of months later drives his caravan into the side of a hill, taking a passenger and copilot with him. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. His degree in journalism allows him to form beautifully crafted and insightful pieces. On the second approach when the FO stated he couldn't see the runway at a hundred feet, she should have called for a go around and did not. These are the issues PRD is trying to solve. We determine the probable cause of the accidents we investigate and issue . Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. Instead, they saw white on white and a structure with an antenna but not the runway itself. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. [1]:15, Around the time of the first approach, the Automatic Weather Observation System (AWOS) at the airport was reporting wind from 060 at 4kn (4.6mph; 7.4km/h) and visibility of 0.50mi (0.80km) in moderate snow and freezing fog. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. Just before our initial push, I became ill. No one should have to work under those conditions. These training issues sound very much like the FO on Atlas 3591, very obscure training failures that are not painting the whole picture of the pilot involved. Many were hired right after failures. Would not be surprised to see this Captain's name associated with another incident/accident. Cookie Notice The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. Our lawyer told me that I could not say anything regarding this pilot other than "ineligible for rehire" or we could get sued for defamation(?). A review of NBA playoff history indicated that the only occurrence of an NBA playoff game 6 where Golden State was leading Memphis at halftime 58-49 was on May 15, 2015". However, none of the pilots reported the issues. Categories . What a douche. We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. If this is the same one, she was pretty infamous. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. The Daigles are parents to a 4 1 /2 year old son. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? The initial part of the flight was uneventful. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. 3.4. I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. During the final approach, the pilots decided to do a go-around after they were unable to see the runway. Biggest teller? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. 2017. After reaching the decision altitude, the captain said she had seen the runway in front of the aircraft. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board CommutAir flight 4933 flying from Newark to Presque Isle, the company said. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC), CommutAir Flight 4933 United Express Flight 4933 Per WP:COMMONNAME, crashes of regional jets operated by contractors under a major airline's regional brand name should use the brand name for easy identification by members of the general public, who are typically unfamiliar with contractors such as CommutAir (not to mention Envoy, Endeavor, Republic, Jazz Aviation, etc.). [5] Five people[5] were taken to the hospital including the first officer and two passengers who received minor injuries from the accident. 3:11-cv-05 | Casetext Search + Citator. There are probably so many qualified candidates out there that would be a joy to fly with but didnt get the job because they used the wrong greeting. We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. Oh well, its not like lives are at stake or anything. [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. The runway had been plowed about ten minutes earlier. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Just because you are a pilot doesn't mean you are a good pilot and belong in a high performance part 121 aircraft! This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. commutair 4933 ntsb report. More than three years later, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) released its final report and said a string of errors and miscues were behind the accident. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. And for such a serious incident too, anything involving airlines usually takes 2 years. The aircraft appears intact enough to preserve the FDR and CVR. CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. Rick Daigle said from the airport via an interview using Facebook messenger that passengers realized there was a problem even before the plane hit the runway. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. Even when it's non-functional, they still write a report on it. [1][2], The aircraft was a 14-year-old Embraer EMB-145XR first delivered to ExpressJet in October 2004, for Continental Express. Rather scattered individual, always leaving something in the airplane, always some drama.Then she came back to C5 after whatever happened and having upgraded in 2015, I flew with her when she was rehired. The NTSB also determined that the first officer was fatigued, which contributed to his confirmation bias; that the captain had demonstrated "poor judgment and decision-making" in instructing the first officer to continue the approach although he did not have the runway in sight; and that the ILS localizer was out of tolerance by about 200ft (61m) to the right, a condition that had been noticed during six previous CommutAir flights, including by the accident first officer, but had not been properly reported to the FAA. Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? Ive seen interview flights of no more than 20 minutes lead to absolutely invaluable insight. On Jul 8th 2022 the NTSB released their factual report reporting amongst other details: On March 2, 2019 (2 days before the accident), the flight crew of . On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. The flight departed from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with 28 passengers and three crew members. Its like we didnt learn from Colgan, except to keep the 1500 hr (which I dont think would have stopped the crash, but different topic for different day). The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. The airplane was substantially damaged. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. Back on March 4th of that year, A 50 passenger Embraer plane was attempting to land on runway 1 at the Presque Isle International Airport in light and moderate . [1]:5. An earlier approach had been aborted. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. I am so curious to know why it took so long for really anything to be released about this accident. Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Cass did say to me she will be OK when she sees Keegan, Rick Daigle said. The airplane was substantially damaged. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. Why was previously published brief by the NTSB completely scrubbed from their website? Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 8:04:00AM EST, Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:15:00AM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:15:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:30:00PM EST, Monday, March 11, 2019 at 12:37:00AM EDT, Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 8:50:00PM EDT, Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:49:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:20:00PM EST, Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 12:20:00AM EDT. that one. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved, said Senator Collins. Let us know in the comments below. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. He had been recently suffering from the flu and had lost sleep, and had made only limited and inconsistent use of his prescribed continuous positive airway pressure machine for several days leading to the accident. The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. By the time it exploded in midair 25 years later, it had . If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. Do you think the history of the CA here will have any impact on contributing factors to future hiring practices? The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." The first impact was hard and violent.. Flight status, tracking, and historical data for CommutAir 4933 (C54933/UCA4933) 17-Mar-2022 (KIAH-KLFT) including scheduled, estimated, and actual departure and arrival times. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. The captain told the first officer that she could see the runway lights but "it's really white down there thats the problem." Occhione v. PSA Airlines, Inc., Case No. The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. After the go-around the first officer asked the captain if she saw the lights on the runway. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Contributing to the accident was also the first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias and the failure of at least six pilots who had observed the localizer misalignment to report it to the company and air traffic before the accident. We give them kids stuff. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on the flight returning from Columbus, Ohio, where Cassie Daigle was competing in a kettlebell event at the Arnold Sports Expo. The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. Press J to jump to the feed. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. Daigle said his wife hit her head during the incident and once the couple returns to Fort Kent she plans to be evaluated at Northern Maine Medical Center as a precaution. I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. The captain responded that she saw the lights but that it was also really white at PQI. In October 2020, FAA provided additional guidance for airport operators about snow removal around navigational aids. NTSB said it will document the reconstruction using 3D techniques, and the data will be archived for historical purposes. Edit: Failed simulator training. We were just in shock.. After the go-around, the first officer asked the captain if she saw the runway lights during the approach. It sounds like visual illusions, problems with the localizer in the snow, and sticking to SOP seem to be some of the biggest factors here. The multiple interview references to the CA's training history and reputation are also quite interesting. [2] It came to rest with the left main landing gear assembly sheared off and wedged between the rear fuselage and the left engine. In August 2016, the aircraft was transferred to CommutAir. A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. Airborne 02.24.23: GAMA 2022 Report, Piper News, Starship March Launch. So we fired him. The airplanes instruments indicated that the aircraft was located to the left of the ILS course. I was suppose to start a four day trip with an individual that displayed this described behavior. Publicado hace 1 segundo. At 11:16EST, the pilots contacted airport staff[N 1] to verify that the runway lights were turned on at maximum brightness; the staff turned on the lights at the brightest setting. The carrier that won the hunger games contract wars of 2020. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. This map shows the airport of departure and the intended destination of the flight. NTSB database search results for Presque Isle, Maine. So that was a positive. One pilot & three passenger reported minor injuries. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine A United Airlines flight from Newark to Presque Isle landed roughly on its second approach and then slid off the runway Monday as passengers screamed and some seat parts popped off, according to one occupant. This was the second approach to runway 1 . Couldnt find the original threads, but the docket is open. The airplane touched down before he could determine what he was seeing. The United Embraer EMB-145XR commuter jet, which was operated by regional carrier CommutAir under the United Express banner, took off from Newark Liberty International Airport this morning at. The plane will remain in place until the FAA arrives to assess the situation. Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, Senator Collins raised this issue directly with then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. United/CommutAir flight 4933, a 50-seat Embraer EMB-145XR operating as United Express, was scheduled to arrive at PQI on March 4 at 10:49 a.m., according to FlightAware, but instead landed at about 11:30 a.m., and wasn't officially confirmed as having "arrived" at the airport's terminal until 12:30 p.m. I never had an issue, but she could be very abrasive, especially toward FAs. So if they can get through training, off to the line they go. The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. . Fourteen minutes after the accident, visibility had improved to 0.75mi (1.21km), with scattered clouds at 800ft (240m) AGL, and an overcast ceiling at 1,300ft (400m) AGL. Commutair. NTSB/AAR-17-02 - Collision with Terrain Promech Air, Inc. de Havilland DHC-3, N270PA; Ketchikan, Alaska; June 25, 2015. Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Last Update: Saturday, Mar 4th 2023 20:54Z. Investigation Report. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." The pilots attempted to land again in a second attempt. After the accident, CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety, said the NTSB. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WAGM) - The National Transportation Safety Board issued a final report on the missed runway incident at the Presque Isle International Airport that happened in 2019. Privacy Policy. The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . See this is my problem with the industry. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Nobody gets a pass for sex and skin color. The first officer was the pilot flying and the captain was the pilot monitoring. This isnt just a regional problem. . She has a 777 type now so she doesnt work for commutair. The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). Rick Daigle said the scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seat parts popping off. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. Accident. As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. Safety Recommendation Report . [1]:15, In a post crash interview, the first officer of the flight stated that when he transitioned from looking at his flight instruments to the outside, all he could see was "white on white". Anyone got any suggestions? A United Express Embraer EMB-145XR similar to the one involved in the accident. Published by on June 29, 2022. Adopted: March . The pilot flying was a man. Theyre famous here too! This website uses cookies for user interface, tracking performance and optimized ads. The NTSBs final report provides no new recommendations, but notes that CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety. For all the latest news from the show click here! Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut . The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. It was a woman. FAA guidance before the accident did not specifically address snow depth around a localizer antenna; after the accident, the guidance was revised to state that localizer alignment should be checked if snow accumulated to a depth exceeding 2ft (0.61m)[1]:4, The NTSB found that at least six CommutAir pilots had noticed the localizer misalignment within the preceding five days before the accident but none had filed a company aviation safety action program (ASAP) report; however, four of them filed ASAP reports after the accident. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. But could have also been Line Oriented Flight Training. Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices are also available in csv format (Microsoft Excel) for downloading and use in databases or spreadsheets. I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway. Since Atlas 3591 and Colgan 3407 airlines are scrutinizing training failures a little closer. The first officer and two of the passengers were injured. When the airplane was below 100 feet above ground level, the captain and the first officer expressed confusion stating they didnt know what they were seeing. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. Strange incident with few details to this day. A quick survey of existing regional airline crash articles reveals a lack of naming consistency, and there is also no uniform naming convention in the aviation accident style guide.
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